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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>--[[User:Gmcgath|Gmcgath]] ([[User talk:Gmcgath|talk]]) 17:31, 4 November 2012 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>--[[User:Gmcgath|Gmcgath]] ([[User talk:Gmcgath|talk]]) 17:31, 4 November 2012 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>: I'm not sure how to do this in the infobox. Loosely speaking, I might treat them similarly to versions or variants of a format, and mention them in the TIFF page or as child pages if that is too long-winded (each with it's own infobox).  However, I imagine we should document the format as it is used, rather that sticking to how it is specified. Maybe we need to cutdown/refine this infobox, then flesh out TIFF, and then revisit if we can make the model clearer? [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 17:59, 4 November 2012 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>: I'm not sure how to do this in the infobox. Loosely speaking, I might treat them similarly to versions or variants of a format, and mention them in the TIFF page or as child pages if that is too long-winded (each with it's own infobox).  However, I imagine we should document the format as it is used, rather that sticking to how it is specified. Maybe we need to cutdown/refine this infobox, then flesh out TIFF, and then revisit if we can make the model clearer? [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 17:59, 4 November 2012 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Gmcgathhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Template_talk:FormatInfo&diff=1216&oldid=prevAndyJackson: /* What properties should be included? */2012-11-04T03:11:34Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">What properties should be included?</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>: I added a PRONOM option to the template. But perhaps it belongs in a separate template, like what Wikipedia does with its [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control Authority Control template]? The advantage to doing it separately is that it wouldn't clutter up the actual pertinent information with weird IDs and links, which could be located at the bottom of the page instead?</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>: I added a PRONOM option to the template. But perhaps it belongs in a separate template, like what Wikipedia does with its [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control Authority Control template]? The advantage to doing it separately is that it wouldn't clutter up the actual pertinent information with weird IDs and links, which could be located at the bottom of the page instead?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:: I have an idea about that - [[#PROPOSAL:_Two_Info_Boxes_Are_Better_Than_One|see below...]] [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:: I have an idea about that - [[#PROPOSAL:_Two_Info_Boxes_Are_Better_Than_One|see below...]] [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:: I have an idea about that - [[#PROPOSAL:_Two_Info_Boxes_Are_Better_Than_One|see below...]] [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>:: I have an idea about that - [[#PROPOSAL:_Two_Info_Boxes_Are_Better_Than_One|see below...]] [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>AndyJacksonhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Template_talk:FormatInfo&diff=962&oldid=prevAndyJackson: Moved property discussion and responded.2012-11-01T15:15:39Z<p>Moved property discussion and responded.</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">e.g. What fields are missing? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format for ideas, but note that so many fields may be overkill.</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Question 1 from CR: Is there a way to add signature information to your InfoBox style?</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Question 2 from CR: How do we best reflect similar and different information for different versions?</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(Sorry, I don't really know how I'm supposed to do "Talk" in this context! - CR)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: To use talk in this context, put a colon (:) before your sentence and then type, ultimately clicking on that second-from-the-right button that looks like a signature. If you're responding to a sentence with a colon in front of it, put two, a la ::. Regarding the infobox, I really feel there's some really hardcore well-made infoboxes out there, and it would behoove you to go and research those instead of re-inventing the wheel. --[[User:Jason Scott|Jason Scott]] ([[User talk:Jason Scott|talk]]) 03:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:: Do we really need a hardcore infobox (they can get quite complicated), when something simple like what Andy is proposing would be a good way to get started? If so could you point at an example of one you particularly like? [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 08:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: I added a PRONOM option to the template. But perhaps it belongs in a separate template, like what Wikipedia does with its [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control Authority Control template]? The advantage to doing it separately is that it wouldn't clutter up the actual pertinent information with weird IDs and links, which could be located at the bottom of the page instead?</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:: I have an idea about that - [[#PROPOSAL:_Two_Info_Boxes_Are_Better_Than_One|see below...]] [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Please add more if you know of them. However, as I've said before, I think massively complex models are dangerous unless the need for a machine-readable version of the information is clear. There's no point spending vast amounts of time marking un minutiae that are better served by prose.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Please add more if you know of them. However, as I've said before, I think massively complex models are dangerous unless the need for a machine-readable version of the information is clear. There's no point spending vast amounts of time marking un minutiae that are better served by prose.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Question 1 from CR: Is there a way to add signature information to your InfoBox style?</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: Easy enough to add a field, although I'm uncertain as to how useful it is. Much more information is needed to actually perform identification, and IMO this is much easier to manage in source code rather than. However, I'd be happy to add the field, with the proviso that I would prefer it to reflect what the specs say the magic is, rather than try to be complete enough to drive identification. [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 15:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Question 2 from CR: How do we best reflect similar and different information for different versions?</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: I think we should just repeat the information. If this becomes onerous, we could look at adding a convention so that, when machine-read, 'child formats' inherited properties from 'parent formats'. Not aware of any clever MediaWiki trick to avoid this. [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 15:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: To use talk in this context, put a colon (:) before your sentence and then type, ultimately clicking on that second-from-the-right button that looks like a signature. If you're responding to a sentence with a colon in front of it, put two, a la ::. Regarding the infobox, I really feel there's some really hardcore well-made infoboxes out there, and it would behoove you to go and research those instead of re-inventing the wheel. --[[User:Jason Scott|Jason Scott]] ([[User talk:Jason Scott|talk]]) 03:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:: Do we really need a hardcore infobox (they can get quite complicated), when something simple like what Andy is proposing would be a good way to get started? If so could you point at an example of one you particularly like? [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 08:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:: I'll certainly be leaning on existing models, but I want to be careful about including everything as it may get in the way of contribution and, frankly, much of it is too ambiguous to be modelled directly and is better suited to prose/discussion.  [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: I added a PRONOM option to the template. But perhaps it belongs in a separate template, like what Wikipedia does with its [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control Authority Control template]? The advantage to doing it separately is that it wouldn't clutter up the actual pertinent information with weird IDs and links, which could be located at the bottom of the page instead?</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:: I have an idea about that - [[#PROPOSAL:_Two_Info_Boxes_Are_Better_Than_One|see below...]] [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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