Talk:Graphics - Revision history

Zzo38 at 06:13, 22 March 2022

2022-03-22T06:13:15Z

Zzo38 at 06:00, 22 March 2022

2022-03-22T06:00:56Z

Zzo38 at 03:08, 22 March 2022

2022-03-22T03:08:30Z

Dan Tobias: /* Morse code based format used in Murdoch Mysteries */

2022-03-22T02:14:51Z

‎Morse code based format used in Murdoch Mysteries

Zzo38: Morse code based format used in Murdoch Mysteries

2022-03-21T20:51:50Z

Morse code based format used in Murdoch Mysteries

Effect2: /* Icons/Cursors/Avatars vs. Skins/Themes */

2019-12-17T09:54:01Z

‎Icons/Cursors/Avatars vs. Skins/Themes

Effect2: /* Icons/Cursors/Avatars vs. Skins/Themes */

2019-12-17T09:53:47Z

‎Icons/Cursors/Avatars vs. Skins/Themes

Dan Tobias: /* Icons/Cursors/Avatars vs. Skins/Themes */ new section

2019-12-17T06:37:12Z

‎Icons/Cursors/Avatars vs. Skins/Themes: new section

Jsummers at 18:08, 10 November 2015

2015-11-10T18:08:08Z

Jsummers: /* what about 'straddling' formats? */

2013-08-25T15:14:59Z

‎what about 'straddling' formats?

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	I'm planning to eliminate the "Combined Raster/Vector" category. A format can be listed in both Raster and Vector categories if necessary, but most are morally either one or the other. [[User:Jsummers\|Jsummers]] ([[User talk:Jsummers\|talk]]) 15:14, 25 August 2013 (UTC)		I'm planning to eliminate the "Combined Raster/Vector" category. A format can be listed in both Raster and Vector categories if necessary, but most are morally either one or the other. [[User:Jsummers\|Jsummers]] ([[User talk:Jsummers\|talk]]) 15:14, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
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		+	:PostScript is a programming language, and includes vector graphics operations (and also an operator to load raster images, too), so it can output zero or more pages of graphics (it can also output data to stdout and to other files). PDF is a vector format (with raster graphics, too), but is mainly a page description format (and some implementations of PostScript produce output in PDF format; other implementations use raster formats for output). PNG is a raster format only. I think that most formats with both vector and raster are usually mainly vector formats; raster images is just one of the shapes that may be drawn (PSD may be an exception; I do not know enough about that format to answer this). --[[User:Zzo38\|Zzo38]] ([[User talk:Zzo38\|talk]]) 06:13, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

	==Animated Graphics==		==Animated Graphics==

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 In a recent episode of the TV show Murdoch Mysteries, they used a format for monochrome raster pictures where the letters and numbers are converted to Morse code and then the dots and dashes correspond to clear and set pixels (ignoring spaces between words), for example "<code>A55N</code>" represents one clear pixel, one set pixel, ten clear pixels, one set pixel, and then one clear pixel (and "<code>ETSSSAE</code>" represents the same sequence of pixels). I implemented this format on my computer a few days ago. Is there a name for this format? --[[User:Zzo38|Zzo38]] ([[User talk:Zzo38|talk]]) 20:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 :I don't know; does that TV show mention a name when it brings up the format? It might go in [[Fictional file formats]] in this site along with other file formats mentioned in fictional programs. [[User:Dan Tobias|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias|talk]]) 02:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
-::It did not mention a name for that format as far as I could tell (that is why I do not know what name it has, if any). However, it isn't purely fictional, because I implemented it. --[[User:Zzo38|Zzo38]] ([[User talk:Zzo38|talk]]) 03:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
+::It did not mention a name for that format as far as I could tell (that is why I do not know what name it has, if any). However, it isn't purely fictional, because I implemented it. (Other previously fictional formats might also be later made with actual implementations, too.) --[[User:Zzo38|Zzo38]] ([[User talk:Zzo38|talk]]) 03:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

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	In a recent episode of the TV show Murdoch Mysteries, they used a format for monochrome raster pictures where the letters and numbers are converted to Morse code and then the dots and dashes correspond to clear and set pixels (ignoring spaces between words), for example "<code>A55N</code>" represents one clear pixel, one set pixel, ten clear pixels, one set pixel, and then one clear pixel (and "<code>ETSSSAE</code>" represents the same sequence of pixels). I implemented this format on my computer a few days ago. Is there a name for this format? --[[User:Zzo38\|Zzo38]] ([[User talk:Zzo38\|talk]]) 20:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)		In a recent episode of the TV show Murdoch Mysteries, they used a format for monochrome raster pictures where the letters and numbers are converted to Morse code and then the dots and dashes correspond to clear and set pixels (ignoring spaces between words), for example "<code>A55N</code>" represents one clear pixel, one set pixel, ten clear pixels, one set pixel, and then one clear pixel (and "<code>ETSSSAE</code>" represents the same sequence of pixels). I implemented this format on my computer a few days ago. Is there a name for this format? --[[User:Zzo38\|Zzo38]] ([[User talk:Zzo38\|talk]]) 20:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
	:I don't know; does that TV show mention a name when it brings up the format? It might go in [[Fictional file formats]] in this site along with other file formats mentioned in fictional programs. [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 02:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)		:I don't know; does that TV show mention a name when it brings up the format? It might go in [[Fictional file formats]] in this site along with other file formats mentioned in fictional programs. [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 02:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
		+	::It did not mention a name for that format as far as I could tell (that is why I do not know what name it has, if any). However, it isn't purely fictional, because I implemented it. --[[User:Zzo38\|Zzo38]] ([[User talk:Zzo38\|talk]]) 03:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

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	In a recent episode of the TV show Murdoch Mysteries, they used a format for monochrome raster pictures where the letters and numbers are converted to Morse code and then the dots and dashes correspond to clear and set pixels (ignoring spaces between words), for example "<code>A55N</code>" represents one clear pixel, one set pixel, ten clear pixels, one set pixel, and then one clear pixel (and "<code>ETSSSAE</code>" represents the same sequence of pixels). I implemented this format on my computer a few days ago. Is there a name for this format? --[[User:Zzo38\|Zzo38]] ([[User talk:Zzo38\|talk]]) 20:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)		In a recent episode of the TV show Murdoch Mysteries, they used a format for monochrome raster pictures where the letters and numbers are converted to Morse code and then the dots and dashes correspond to clear and set pixels (ignoring spaces between words), for example "<code>A55N</code>" represents one clear pixel, one set pixel, ten clear pixels, one set pixel, and then one clear pixel (and "<code>ETSSSAE</code>" represents the same sequence of pixels). I implemented this format on my computer a few days ago. Is there a name for this format? --[[User:Zzo38\|Zzo38]] ([[User talk:Zzo38\|talk]]) 20:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
		+	:I don't know; does that TV show mention a name when it brings up the format? It might go in [[Fictional file formats]] in this site along with other file formats mentioned in fictional programs. [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 02:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

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	Shouldn't the [[CursorFX]] and [[CursorXP]] entries go in the Icons/Cursors/Avatars section rather than the Skins/Themes one? Or should those two sections be merged because they're related and overlap? [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 06:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)		Shouldn't the [[CursorFX]] and [[CursorXP]] entries go in the Icons/Cursors/Avatars section rather than the Skins/Themes one? Or should those two sections be merged because they're related and overlap? [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 06:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
	:You're right that they were in the wrong section, and I've moved them accordingly. The Icons, Cursors, & Avatars section ''could'' be renamed to show that it includes formats holding thumbs, icons, and other small images (what I think its intention is) or something like that, but, in any case, cursors and thematic icons fit in both that category and the skins one. I don't think it makes sense to outright merge them; the less ambiguous entries in each, e.g. [[Winamp Skin]] and [[Thumbs.db]], don't resemble each other at all. [[User:Effect2\|Effect2]] ([[User talk:Effect2\|talk]]) 09:54, 17 December 2019 (UTC)		:You're right that they were in the wrong section, and I've moved them accordingly. The Icons, Cursors, & Avatars section ''could'' be renamed to show that it includes formats holding thumbs, icons, and other small images (what I think its intention is) or something like that, but, in any case, cursors and thematic icons fit in both that category and the skins one. I don't think it makes sense to outright merge them; the less ambiguous entries in each, e.g. [[Winamp Skin]] and [[Thumbs.db]], don't resemble each other at all. [[User:Effect2\|Effect2]] ([[User talk:Effect2\|talk]]) 09:54, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
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		+	== Morse code based format used in Murdoch Mysteries ==
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		+	In a recent episode of the TV show Murdoch Mysteries, they used a format for monochrome raster pictures where the letters and numbers are converted to Morse code and then the dots and dashes correspond to clear and set pixels (ignoring spaces between words), for example "<code>A55N</code>" represents one clear pixel, one set pixel, ten clear pixels, one set pixel, and then one clear pixel (and "<code>ETSSSAE</code>" represents the same sequence of pixels). I implemented this format on my computer a few days ago. Is there a name for this format? --[[User:Zzo38\|Zzo38]] ([[User talk:Zzo38\|talk]]) 20:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

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	Shouldn't the [[CursorFX]] and [[CursorXP]] entries go in the Icons/Cursors/Avatars section rather than the Skins/Themes one? Or should those two sections be merged because they're related and overlap? [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 06:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)		Shouldn't the [[CursorFX]] and [[CursorXP]] entries go in the Icons/Cursors/Avatars section rather than the Skins/Themes one? Or should those two sections be merged because they're related and overlap? [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 06:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
−	:You're right that they were in the wrong section, and I've moved them accordingly. The Icons, Cursors, & Avatars section ''could'' be renamed to show that it includes formats holding thumbs, icons, and other small images (what I think its intention is) or something like that, but, in any case, cursors and thematic icons fit in both that category and the skins one. I don't think it makes sense to outright merge them; the less ambiguous entries in each, e.g. [[Winamp Skin]] and [[Thumbs.db]], don't resemble each other at all.	+	:You're right that they were in the wrong section, and I've moved them accordingly. The Icons, Cursors, & Avatars section ''could'' be renamed to show that it includes formats holding thumbs, icons, and other small images (what I think its intention is) or something like that, but, in any case, cursors and thematic icons fit in both that category and the skins one. I don't think it makes sense to outright merge them; the less ambiguous entries in each, e.g. [[Winamp Skin]] and [[Thumbs.db]], don't resemble each other at all. [[User:Effect2\|Effect2]] ([[User talk:Effect2\|talk]]) 09:54, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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	Shouldn't the [[CursorFX]] and [[CursorXP]] entries go in the Icons/Cursors/Avatars section rather than the Skins/Themes one? Or should those two sections be merged because they're related and overlap? [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 06:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)		Shouldn't the [[CursorFX]] and [[CursorXP]] entries go in the Icons/Cursors/Avatars section rather than the Skins/Themes one? Or should those two sections be merged because they're related and overlap? [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 06:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
		+	:You're right that they were in the wrong section, and I've moved them accordingly. The Icons, Cursors, & Avatars section ''could'' be renamed to show that it includes formats holding thumbs, icons, and other small images (what I think its intention is) or something like that, but, in any case, cursors and thematic icons fit in both that category and the skins one. I don't think it makes sense to outright merge them; the less ambiguous entries in each, e.g. [[Winamp Skin]] and [[Thumbs.db]], don't resemble each other at all.

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	I've been putting them all in the Graphics category, but now I think that, at a minimum, compression formats that are always embedded in another file format (e.g. PackBits) should have a primary category of Compression. And I think I'll go further, and include some formats that ''can'' be used as a file format, if they are not typically used that way. But I'm not planning to move the whole list of graphics compression formats to the Compression page. [[User:Jsummers\|Jsummers]] ([[User talk:Jsummers\|talk]]) 18:08, 10 November 2015 (UTC)		I've been putting them all in the Graphics category, but now I think that, at a minimum, compression formats that are always embedded in another file format (e.g. PackBits) should have a primary category of Compression. And I think I'll go further, and include some formats that ''can'' be used as a file format, if they are not typically used that way. But I'm not planning to move the whole list of graphics compression formats to the Compression page. [[User:Jsummers\|Jsummers]] ([[User talk:Jsummers\|talk]]) 18:08, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
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		+	== Icons/Cursors/Avatars vs. Skins/Themes ==
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		+	Shouldn't the [[CursorFX]] and [[CursorXP]] entries go in the Icons/Cursors/Avatars section rather than the Skins/Themes one? Or should those two sections be merged because they're related and overlap? [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 06:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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	I notice SWF is listed in the "unclassified" section (though it doesn't have an article yet). What category does it belong in? Is it a graphic format, a video format, an executable/app/applet format, or what? [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 04:46, 16 February 2013 (UTC)		I notice SWF is listed in the "unclassified" section (though it doesn't have an article yet). What category does it belong in? Is it a graphic format, a video format, an executable/app/applet format, or what? [[User:Dan Tobias\|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias\|talk]]) 04:46, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
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		+	== Graphics compression formats ==
		+	I've had trouble deciding whether graphics-specific compression formats should have a primary category of Graphics, or Compression. And if they should be listed on the Graphics page, the Compression page, or both. It doesn't help that some formats (e.g. JBIG, CCITT Group 3) blur the line between graphics formats and compression formats.
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		+	I've been putting them all in the Graphics category, but now I think that, at a minimum, compression formats that are always embedded in another file format (e.g. PackBits) should have a primary category of Compression. And I think I'll go further, and include some formats that ''can'' be used as a file format, if they are not typically used that way. But I'm not planning to move the whole list of graphics compression formats to the Compression page. [[User:Jsummers\|Jsummers]] ([[User talk:Jsummers\|talk]]) 18:08, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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 PNG and PS could be argued into either or both camps. PS files are output as raster objects, but contained inside the file object as vector objects (as I understand it..) and I think PNG is in a similar position. Are we classifying the input or output object...
 :PS/EPS/PDF etc. are vector formats. The fact that they are displayed as raster on screen (or on a printer) is a limitation of the hardware and has nothing to do with the format. PNG are raster formats. The only "ambiguous" formats that might be open to discussion are those that can have raster and vector layers inside the same file (e.g. PSD) --[[User:Darkstar|Darkstar]] ([[User talk:Darkstar|talk]]) 09:30, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 ==Animated Graphics==